11/9/2023 0 Comments Perish song pokemon![]() ![]() There needs to be more evidence for your argument to be effective, such that you could convince people that they wouldn't have to gimp their teams in order to not auto-lose to this gimmicky strategy. Second is that you've presented only one counter to the strategy. In any case there are a few things- first is that it's more than just the ghosts that can use this, with Smeargle being notably obnoxious. So wait, you're arguing for sleep perish trap to be unbanned? As opposed to just unbanning sleep trap? Because afaik one of those two bans has existed for the entirety of GSC's history, with Borat's actions being to push for SleepTrap over SleepPerishTrap rather than implementing the ban in the first place. If this were one day to ever be unbanned it would change the meta for the better and it would be more exciting and popular. I just wanted everyone to know that they are playing in an arbitrary meta. I made this post with 0 hope that this will be unbanned. It is obviously not banned because "it is broken", and if it stays banned it won't be because it is cheap, it will be because people are happy with the status quo. The point is that there is no reason for this to be banned. And, of course raikou isn't the only counter. So it can be hard to even get the sleep trapping started, but even if you do, I don't know the exact chances for success but if you do trap a status free raikou, through my testing the chances seem to be around 50/50 for actually killing it. If raikou is under any status condition, gengar is now completely useless. For gengar or missy to even use this strat he has to not run any sleep inducing move on any other poke. The main one I've used is Raikou with sleep talk, rest, crunch, and thunderbolt. It is obviously good but it isn't THAT good. The reason no one else thought it was cheap is because it isn't. i cheat so hard the rules change around my cheating so that i'm not even cheating. if we did a flat comparison between "sleep trap" and "sleep ptrap" now it'd be much closer to a split decision. but clearly the idea was good and so people accepted it, and it was a lot easier to argue on equal footing as to why it's justified rather than trying to ratify a sweeping change. if we bring up "sleep trap" now, nobody would be like "yeah that's random as fuck", because i basically lied and my guides got popular and people took it as fact. for 5 years i'd been arguing and lying that it had always been a controversial clause. when po started, i made the initial set of gsc tiers i also made the initial ruleset where i casually tried to solidify the clause. basically, it's funny that people use arbitrary to classify the hp legend ban, when there's actually CONCRETE evidence for it having existed, whereas i've shadily gotten away with amending the gsc ruleset for the past 7 years or whatever. look at how difficult it is to get faster internet in the us - the initial 768kbps definition for dsl is totally arbitrary, look how retardedly hard it is to change that. look at how hard it is to amend the constitution. the requirements to keeping something the same is much lower than the requirements for change, and that's ok, that's how life is. sleep trap vs sleep perish trap is really just a typo away from each other, and they're both really easy to justify IF we play the history card. but sleep trap had sort of a ring to it when you say it. ask vil, floppy, g80, karrot, mr.e, havoc or whoevers left from that era, sleep trap wasn't a thing at all. at first it was to see if i could get away with it, this was al the way back in 2006 or 2007 mind you, to see if i could get the metagame to change because it was something I felt was cheap, literally nobody else felt this way. but that whole bit about it "having been banned in plenty of tournaments" or "vets being split between it and just a sleep perish trap ban" is anecdotal evidence, aka i made it all up. getting trap spored by smeargle is every bit as retarded. to me a jynx running nightmare/ib over psong is every bit as good. through gsc history, i was actually the only person against sleep trapping as a whole. After realizing that a consensus to ban it was never actually reached with the old players who actually played in the meta where this strategy was allowed, and then subsequently testing this strategy by playing games against myself, I have come to the conclusion that is completely, arbitrarily banned.įor people confused about what I'm talking about a consensus never being reached by players of the old meta, here is an admission by Borat he posted on Smogon. Trapping a poke, sleeping it, then killing it with perish song sounds cheap, let it stay banned." The status quo was all I knew and like everyone else my opinion was made on ignorance. I glanced at it like everyone else did and thought "hmmm. ![]()
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